I like to think of myself as a pirate and you’re just walking that person out on the plank. And then you pull them back when you get what you want. Of course, sometimes, in the beginning, you’re going to push a little too far.

“I like to think of myself as a pirate and you’re just walking that person out on the plank. And then you pull them back when you get what you want. Of course, sometimes, in the beginning, you’re going to push a little too far.”

Bob Johnson